The C̳I̳A̳ and the U̳F̳O̳ mystery have been linked since 1947. Since then, several C̳I̳A̳ officials and former US military personnel have directly promoted U̳F̳O̳logy by making surprising remarks. R. James Woolsey, Derrel Sims, Lue Elizondo, David Fravor, and other former C̳I̳A̳ and US military officers describe the existence of reality around us that cannot be seen can be an essential ingredient. How important is the U̳F̳O̳ phenomenon?
Jim Semivan and John Ramirez, two veteran C̳I̳A̳ personnel who have exhibited a personal interest in U̳F̳O̳/UAP issues and cases, recently appeared on the George Knapp show to discuss the C̳I̳A̳’s participation in the research U̳F̳O̳s as well as their own experiences.
Jim Semivan worked for the C̳I̳A̳ for 25 years before joining Tom Delonge’s To the Stars Academy with other former government insiders. He went into depth about how he got into the C̳I̳A̳ and mastered spycraft, which takes years to master. Because the C̳I̳A̳ operates on a “need-to-know” basis, Semivan was not aw̳a̳r̳e of any U̳F̳O̳ studies, even though C̳I̳A̳ analyst Kit Green was known for his interest in the paranormal.
Semivan detailed his a̳l̳i̳e̳n̳ encounters with his wife, which began in 1990 and included entities appearing in their bedroom on Coast to Coast AM. He stated that the meeting was actual, not hypnagogic or dream. Following that, the pair experienced intermittent poltergeist activity in their home. He recently claimed to have seen a hooded figure that resembled the D̳e̳a̳t̳h̳ Eater character from Harry Potter, who may have appeared to announce the de̳a̳t̳h̳ of a close friend. Semivan agreed with Skinwalker Ranch researcher Colm Kelleher’s observation that the U̳F̳O̳ phenomenon is much more than nuts and bolts and machines, as psychic and biological elements also ratchet up the strangeness.
He noted that To the Stars’ examination of “metamaterials” with unusual isotopic ratios (perhaps linked to U̳F̳O̳s) was still ongoing.
Semivan said in the first portion of the interview:
“I believe they state that the phenomenon is a natural component of our cosmos that we are living in but are unaw̳a̳r̳e of.” In the same manner, insects and animals are oblivious to the existence of humans. Even when a cat and a dog are running through a library, they have no idea what books or library is all about. We may be traveling through our lives unaw̳a̳r̳e that there is a whole other reality that exists around us that we are unable to see or engage with.”
“It appears to be peering into our little shared reality.” It comes close, teases, cajoles, and lies to us, but you can never take it home to meet the parents, as I once said to someone. You won’t be able to accomplish that. There isn’t a formal greeting. Add in the fact that there is no ontology, which is just a fancy name for “no framework” even to address this. We don’t have a shared vocabulary. Someone once observed that we have a lot of dots but no connections. “I don’t think we have any dots.”
In the second portion of the interview, John Ramirez, a 25-year C̳I̳A̳ veteran specializing in ballistic missile defense systems, featured. He detailed his long-standing interest in espionage and how, in 1984, he transitioned from a Navy officer to the C̳I̳A̳. He equated gathering intelligence to working as a journalist for a news organization, except his sources for reports were usually top-secret.
He, like Semivan, had what could be classified as ex̳t̳r̳a̳t̳e̳r̳r̳e̳s̳t̳r̳i̳a̳l̳ abduction-like events, such as being placed on an examination table in a circular craft. Interestingly, he indicated that many of his C̳I̳A̳ and NSA colleagues had also experienced U̳F̳O̳ encounters. He became aw̳a̳r̳e of moments when Russian radar detected strange craft while working on missile defense, and he claimed that they attempted to coax a UAP into landing in one incident.
According to Ramirez, C̳I̳A̳ historian Gerald Haines wrote about the agency’s examination of U̳F̳O̳s from 1947 until the 1990s for a section named the Office of Scientific Intelligence. Ramirez was particularly intrigued that the division employed personnel with backgrounds in life sciences and medicine, implying a potential interest in ex̳t̳r̳a̳t̳e̳r̳r̳e̳s̳t̳r̳i̳a̳l̳ bodies.
He also reported how an Air Force pilot on a plane flying near Kamchatka to monitor Russian tests saw a large “milky white wall” of light coming at him at 6,200 mph, even though the Air Force assumed it was a Russian countermeasure. In response to military sightings of ‘trans-medium’ UAP like the Tic Tacs, Ramirez stated that he does not believe Russia or any other foreign government can manufacture such technology.
Luce has discussed these concepts in previous interviews. Nonetheless, he pressed him to explain how our senses are triggered, the limited cosmos, which relates to this occurrence.
“We’ve been dealing with this for quite some time.” Consider the first person to board a ship and sail beyond the horizon. There are legends about sea monsters and Krakens devouring you and destroying your boat. Nonetheless, we went ahead and did it. We sailed and sailed around the world and found sea monsters that existed 500 years later. We named them great Pacific squid and great white sharks and whales.
Those sea monsters may now be considered part of nature and given a scientific name, but they still exist. They’re there; we just haven’t figured out how to communicate with them. Perhaps it’s the same thing. Maybe this is just another voyage beyond the horizon when we’ll discover that what we believed were monsters are just neighbors.” Garry Nolan, Lue Elizondo, Tom DeLonge, and Jacques Vallee all say the same thing about the phenomenon’s reality.