According to Polish Colonel Ryszard Grundman, Polish U̳F̳O̳ writings either lost or stolen. In a conversation dated former head of air traffic and air defense, Colonel Grundman, responsible for U̳F̳O̳ reports, there were many new facts about the concentration of U̳F̳O̳ records.
The Polish Air Force concentrates and analyzes reports from pilots and their encounters with unidentified objects. In the file labeled “Unknown”, dozens of messages have focused. In the 1990s, however, these invaluable data disappeared…Here is an interview with Colonel Ryszard Grundman, who reported on such U̳F̳O̳ reports:1. Do you know that people, when they hear about U̳F̳O̳s, respond with a smile?
I know. However, military pilots who have seen “invisible” flying objects with their own eyes have a smile away, not saying they have met a̳l̳i̳e̳n̳s, but they are clear that they have witnessed something that can not reasonably be explained, that during a flight, the pilot sees a strange machine with flashing lights, which resembles a “plate”, he starts performing maneuvers that are against the laws of physics. Is that normal?
2. I do not know. Did such cases really happen?
In the 1980s, when I was commander of air traffic and air defense, reports of objects whose behavior was inexplicable were reported practically on a regular basis. At the end of my service in 1992, we had at least dozens of such reports.
Everything was in a special volume “Unexplained”. Together with Colonel George Topolanicki, then my direct superior, we were trying to analyze them, but we could have little to do with it. It was such dry pilots’ reports. However, we understand that if we do not understand something, it does not mean that someone will not come and be able to explain it in the next 50 years. I could not close my eyes to events that could jeopardize flight safety. That was my task during my service.
3. Has anyone in the Polish Army not focused on U̳F̳O̳ news?
I was the first in the army who was interested in all the seriousness. If you report this phenomenon to the hands of an experienced military pilot, an officer – with the suspicion that it will be difficult due to a lack of competence in weather, land or airplane assessment – he does not fit into the trash.
However, military U̳F̳O̳ instructions did not include; because of the “introduction of data for an official document” – this would be the fact that the existence of U̳F̳O̳s is recognized not only by the Polish army but also by all the armed forces of the then Warsaw Pact. Army arrangements were standardized by agreement. But no one was forbidden to collect data about strange phenomena in the sky. That’s how I did it and I hope my work will continue.4. And continues?
Unfortunately, it does not go on. No one in the Polish Army today deals with U̳F̳O̳s. Ufologists sometimes say our army conceals information about the U̳F̳O̳. They do not conceal it because it does not exist. After I left, the crew stopped the systematic collection of messages on the subject. It is bad. The army from the West is investigating unusual phenomena and Russia is doing it too.
5. And what happened to those news reports?
After my retirement, the file disappeared.6. Did he disappear?
Yes he disappeared. I do not have him.
7. And what happened?
I do not know. Maybe somebody started to take these reports lightly and did not really care. I wish they would continue to collect these types of data; data covering a period of 20 years would be available. Someone might want to analyze them and try to capture the regular occurrence and behavior of U̳F̳O̳s. Since then, no material has been analyzed.
8. When did you first get news of U̳F̳O̳ military pilots?
I do not remember the exact date but most of the data relates to night events 11.12. 1982, when radar stations from different parts of Poland began to capture high-speed moving objects. Overall, 16 observations were observed over our territory. The aircraft were given a command to take off and capture objects, but their equipment could not locate the target.
These strange objects appeared in East Germany, Czechoslovakia and the eastern part of the Soviet Union. I was afraid he would start attacking NATO. In this case, we did not have to deal with the observation of an individual pilot, but it was an event that ruined the entire army machine and involved hundreds of people. This could not be a mistake! And that could not be the radar error.
The Military Commission investigating the incident heard all the witnesses. The report contained no final conclusion. It was found that the material should be subjected to further analysis and special attention when comparing similar types of events. They behaved so carefully because reports of strange objects were not only from pilots.